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ROLLER SKATING TODAY
advocates quad roller skating as a form of physical and emotional fitness, weight control and stress relief
encourages those who love to skate to make it a regular part of their lives and to contribute to the ELEVATION and PROMOTION of the sport. ~ LOVE IT - LIVE IT! ~
encourages those who do not have an interest in skating to find something in life that they thoroughly enjoy doing and perform it to the best of their ability and as often as they can
promotes that the more you fill your life with activities, hobbies and people you enjoy, the happier you are and the more zest you have for life. It will follow that you will have a greater contribution to give to the world and people you encounter.
ABOUT RST
RST is an online resource station for adult R&B quad roller skaters and is designed to inform, enlighten and stimulate avid skaters and others who are attracted to our features.
HOW RST BEGAN
RST's conception was much like an unplanned, unexpected pregnancy which, in a sense, "just happened." The first issue was published in June 2002 and surprisingly the idea to create an online skate newsletter did not pop into my head until a few short weeks prior to that.
As a freelance writer and also an avid skater, I had written an
article series about the history of today's skate circuit which was intended for publication on another site. However, when portions of
that article were deemed too controversial to be published there I was left with an unexpected dilemma: 'how was I going to get the information out to my intended audience?'
A few weeks later, the answer came to me and that was the humble, unexpected conception of Roller Skating Today. From then until now, the labor of love has continued and in many ways RST is feeling its way along on a month to month basis.
RST's FUTURE?
My original thought was to publish only enough issues to share the article series I had in mind, but the RST audience continues to grow and the features and archive articles continue to be sources of reference for RST visitors. What I at one time thought would be no more than a 12 month project has grown into a permanent fixture for those seeking the information RST has to offer.
The continued support and encouragement of RST readers is greatly appreciated. If you have any ideas on how this online resource station can be improved or updated, please let us know.
For the love of skating, for the elevation of the sport and for the love of those who share the same passion, you should be......
ROLLER SKATING TODAY!
- KM -
(Page last updated 04-13-10)
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Bill Butler

William “Bill” Butler
Born: Detroit, Michigan, 12-04-1933
Residence: Georgia (2003-current); New York (1957 - 2003)
Specialty: Roller skating enthusiast, expert, pioneer, performer, instructor and advocate
Bill Butler – once tagged the “Godfather of Roller Disco” - lives the sport he loves and is, in fact, roller skating to the very depth of his being. Creator of the one-of-a-kind, rapid paced, funky form of skating he labeled “Jammin**',” he has become a legend in his own time. Bill is a long time skate instructor and continues his weekly classes in Georgia where he is training students aged 10 to 57.
Still jammin' as a sassy, soulful senior, his influence, impact, talent and skill are most notably displayed in “Roll Bounce,” the 2005 Fox Searchlight Pictures film. As Creative Skate Director he was directly responsible for all skating aspects related to the movie and also for the thrilling and dynamic skating that continues to have skaters worldwide attempting to emulate the unique moves made popular in the film.
Under Bill's direction, his assistant creative director, long time student and protege, Michael Johnson, choreographed the majority of Roll Bounce's skate routines and also doubled for the main character played by entertainer Bow Wow. As such, Johnson, who is also a skate coach/instructor, performed the advanced and more difficult skate steps for the young actor.
In 2007, Bill served as Choregrapher/Consultant for a McDonald's skate-themed commercial and from 2002-2007 his skate-related news was featured in “Good Jammin' News,” a column on Roller Skating Today (RST). He also co-authored “Jammin' – Bill Butler's Complete Guide to Roller Disco,” (1979, Pocket Books). Mr. Butler, along with Michael Johnson and other students of the Jammin' technique, were featured personalities in “8 Wheels and Some Soul Brotha Music,” (Jammin Entertainment, 2003), a documentary on the history of Black roller skating. The talented skaters were also featured in “Things That Move,” (2006), a documentary produced for Canadian television.
** NOTE: The Jammin' technique is not to be confused with Jam Skating. "..Jammin ... is a style created by [Bill Butler] who based his technique on the use of the hockey stop and subsequently, developed a complex, detailed, scientific, yet enjoyable and fun approach to roller dancing. Jammin is a most distinct form of R&B skating...." -Aug 05 RST Editorial -
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Black Rinks
Page last updated 05/10/10
RST is proud to offer this listing of Black owned/managed roller skating rinks in the U.S.
Contact us if you know of other rinks that should be added to this listing.
BLACK OWNED RINKS LISTED BY STATE
ALABAMA (1)
CALIFORNIA (1)
DELAWARE (1)
GEORGIA (4)
ILLINOIS (6)
INDIANA (1)
KENTUCKY (0)
MARYLAND (2)
MASSACHUSETTS (1)
MICHIGAN (4)
MISSOURI (1)
NEW YORK (2) *** UPDATE ***
OHIO (2)
TEXAS (1)
Black Managed Rinks (7)
ALABAMA
Skates & Strikes
1231 N. Eufaula
Eufaula, AL, 36027
334-687-2417
CALIFORNIA
Residence Rink
2201 E. Eighth St.
Stockton, CA
DELAWARE
Adrenaline Skating Center
215 New Road
Elsmere, DE 19805
302-654-5520
GEORGIA
Cascade Family Skating
3335 Martin Luther King
Atlanta, GA
404-699-9558
Dekalb Hollywood Skating
(Now Closed - update Mar. 2010)
Golden Glide
2750 Wesley Chapel Rd.
Decatur, GA
404-288-7773
Skate Towne
5570 Old National Hwy.
College Park, GA 30349
404-768-0095
Skate Zone
6766 Mt. Zion Blvd.
Morrow, GA 30260
770-960-1400
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ILLINOIS
Markham Roller Rink
16630 S. Dixie Hwy
Markham, IL
708-339-7373
Peoria Palace
11009 N. State St.
PO Box 446
Mossville, IL 61552
309-579-3626
The Rink Fitness Factory
1122 E. 87th St.
Chicago, IL 60619
773-221-2600
Skate City
2200 E. Broadway
East St. Louis, IL 62205
618-875-2489
South Central Roller Palace
Route 37 N
Salem, IL 62881
618-548-2808
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INDIANA
Clarence Faulkner Community Center [& Skating Rink]
1221 W. 12th St.
Marion, IN 46953
765-664-3933
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KENTUCKY
Treo Roller Rink
(Now Closed - update Mar. 2010)
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MARYLAND
D'Light Skate N Palace
3132 Branch Ave.
Temple Hills, MD 20748
301-630-6150
Skateworks
1716 Whitehead Rd
Woodlawn, MD 21207
410-944-4477
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MASSACHUSETTS
Chez Vous Entertainment Complex
11 Rhoades St.
Dorchester Ctr, MA 02124
617-825-6877
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MICHIGAN
Great Lakes Skating Center
2041 Parkwood Ave.
Ypsilanti, MI 48198
734-480-4100
Great Skate
29100 Hayes Rd.
Roseville, MI 48066
586-777-4300
Lakeshore Roller World
5567 Red Arrow Hwy
Stevensville (Benton Harbor), MI 49127
269-429-7700 OR (888) 91-SKATE, (888-917-5283)
Rollercade
2130 S. Schaefer Hwy.
Detroit, MI 48217
313-657-0459
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MISSOURI
Skate King
6100 Natural Bridge Ave
St. Louis, MO 63120
314-382-1112
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NEW YORK
Arcadia Roller Rink
30 E. Amherst
Buffalo, NY 14214
716-603-9224
New Skateland Arena
33 E. Ferry St.
Buffalo, NY 14209
716-882-2104
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OHIO
Hoover Skate Arena
4623 Hoover Ave.
Dayton, OH
937-263-0256
Pla-mor Roller Rink
22466 Shore Center Drive
Euclid, OH 44123
216-731-5000
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TEXAS
Lockwood Skate Palace
3323 E. Lockwood Dr.
Houston, TX
713-673-2232
Shaggy Blue's Family Entertainment Ctr.
(Now Closed - update Apr. 2010)
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BLACK MANAGED RINKS
- Martin Luther King Park & Entertainment Center
1219 W. 76th St. (@ Racine)
Chicago, IL
312-747-2602
- Millenium East End Arena
1156 Hargrave Street
Austin, TX 78702
512-472-6932
- Millennium Skate World
1900 Carman St.
Camden, NJ 08103
856-757-9460
- Shake & Bake Skating Center
1601 Pennsylvania Ave
Baltimore MD
410-669-9100
- Skate City
15100 E. Girard Ave.
Aurora, CO 80014
303-690-1444
- Skate City
1920 North Academy Blvd
Colorado Springs, CO 80909
719-597-6066
- Zelma Watson-George Community Center
3155 Matin Luther King Blvd
Cleveland, OH 44104
216-420-8821
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Roller Skating Today
PO Box 7257
Denver, CO 80207
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NOTE: At this time, RST does not offer consulting services for potential rink buyers; therefore, for guidance on rink purchasing, management or operation, the following online resource may be of help to you: Roller Skating Association International . Thank you for your inquiry.
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RST provides this listing for skaters looking for an adult R&B session in their home area or for when they travel out of town. If you would like to submit a session that does not appear here, please submit your information by Email.
NOTE: RST strives to maintain current data but information may have changed since posting. Please call the rink to verify session time, date and location.
Last updated 06/12/10
LISTING BY STATE
California
Colorado
Florida
Georgia
Illinois
Louisiana
Maryland
Massachusetts
Michigan
Minnesota
Missouri
Nebraska
New Jersey
New York **** UPDATE ****
North Carolina
Ohio ** NEW
Tennessee
Wisconsin
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CALIFORNIA
Cal Skate
980 Los Coches St.
Milpitas, CA 95035
510-471-2404
Sunday, 8:00 p.m. - 11:00 p.m.
25+
Cal Skate GT
22080 Commerce Way
Grand Terrace, CA 92313
909-783-2342
Wednesday, 8:30 p.m. - 11:00 p.m.
18+
Roller Skate Land
626 L Street
Chula Vista, CA 91912
619-420-4762
Wednesday, 8:00 p.m. - 11:00 p.m.
16+
*Wood floor
San Jose Skate
397 Blossom Hill Rd
San Jose, CA
408-226-1156
Monday, 8:00 p.m. - 10:00 p.m.
18+
Skate Depot
11113 E. 183rd Street
Cerritos CA 90703
562-924-0911
Thursday, 8:00 p.m. - 1:00 a.m.
21+
Saturday, 10:00 p.m. - 2:00 a.m.
25+
* Wood floor
Skate Express
12356 Central Ave.
Chino, CA 91710
909-465-1383
Sunday, 8:00 p.m. - 1:00 a.m.
21+
* Wood floor
World on Wheels
4645 1/2 Venice Blvd
Los Angeles, CA
323-933-3333
Sunday, 8:30 p.m. - 1:00 a.m.
21+
Tuesday, 6:00 p.m. - Midnite
21+
Thursday, 6:00 p.m. - 1 a.m.
25+ (Oldies)
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COLORADO
Skate City - Littleton
5801 South Lowell Way
Littleton, CO 80123-2851
(303) 795-6109
Friday, 10:30 p.m. - 2:00 a.m. (Every 1st Friday)
18+
Skate City - Meadowood
15100 East Girard Avenue
Aurora, CO 80202
303-690-1444
Sunday, 6:30 - 9:30 p.m.
21+
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FLORIDA
Skate Station
230 Blanding Blvd.
Orange Park, FL 32073
904-272-5600
Sun., 8:00 - 11:30 p.m.
18+
*Wood floor
United Skates of America
5121 N. Armenia Ave
Tampa, FL 33603
813-876-5826
Sun., 9:00 - Midnite
18+
*Wood floor
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GEORGIA
All American Skating Center
5400 Bermuda Road
Stone Mountain, GA 30087
770-469-9775
Sunday, 9:00 p.m. - 1 a.m.
21+
* Wood floor
Cascade Family Skating
3335 Martin Luther King
Atlanta, GA
404-699-9558
Sunday, 8:00 p.m. - Midnight
Wednesday, 8:00 p.m. - Midnight
18+
* Wood floor
Golden Glide
2750 Wesley Chapel Rd.
Decatur, GA
404-288-7773
Friday, 11:30 p.m. - 2:30 a.m.
18+
* Wood floor
Skate Towne
5570 Old National Hwy.
College Park, GA 30349
404-768-0095
Monday, 8:00 pm - Midnight
18+
Thursday, 9 p.m. - Midnight
18+
* Wood floor
Skate Zone
6766 Mt. Zion Blvd.
Morrow , Georgia
770-960-1400
Sunday, 8:00 p.m. - 11:00 p.m.
18+
* Wood floor
Sparkles of Smyrna
666 Smyrna Hill Dr.
Smyrna GA
770-432-6222
Sunday, 8:00 p.m. - Midnight
21+
* Wood floor
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ILLINOIS
Glenwood Roller Rink
656 Holbrook Rd
Glenwood, IL 60425
708-754-5540
Sunday, 8:30 p.m. - 12:30 a.m.
18+
Friday, 9:00 p.m. - 1:00 a.m.
25+
* Wood floor
Lombard Roller Skating Rink
201 W. 22nd St.
Lombard, IL 60148
630-953-2400
Monday, 8:00 p.m. - Midnite
Markham Roller Rink
16630 S. Dixie Hwy
Markham, IL
Sunday, 10 a.m. - 2 p.m.
Sunday, 7 - 11 p.m.
Tuesday, 10 a.m. - 1:30 p.m.
Thursday, 10 a.m. - 1:30 p.m.
Friday, 10 a.m. - 1:30 p.m.
Friday, 11:00 p.m. -3:00 a.m.
* Wood floor
Martin Luther King Park & Entertainment Center
1219 W. 76th St. (@ Racine)
Chicago, IL
312-747-2602
Thursday, 9 p.m. - 1 a.m.
18+
* Wood floor
Rich City Skate
4645 Sauk Trail
Richton Park IL
708-748-7750
(Adult lessons Sun., Mon. & Wed. night)
Sunday, 10 a.m. - 1 p.m. (Morning Breakfast Skate)
27+
Sunday, 7 p.m. - 11:00 p.m. (Grown Folks)
30+
Monday, 9 p.m. - 1:00 a.m. (JB)
21+
Wednesday, 8 p.m. - Midnite (Smoov School)
27+
Friday, Midnite - 3:00 a.m. (Midnite Ramble)
18+
* Wood floor
The Rink
1122 E. 87th St.
Chicago, IL
Sunday, 5:00 p.m. - 9:00 p.m.
30+
Sunday, 9:30 p.m. - 1:30 a.m. (JB)
21+
Tuesday, 10:00 a.m. - 2:00 p.m.
30+
Tuesday, 8 p.m. - Midnite (JB)
18+
Thursday, 8 p.m. - Midnite
30+
Saturday, Midnite - 4:00 a.m. (Midnite Ramble)
18+
* Wood floor
Skate City
2200 E. Broadway
East St. Louis, IL 62205
Thursday, 8:00 p.m. - 11:00 p.m. (Old School)
25+
Saturday, 11:00 p.m. - 2:00 a.m.
25+
Skate West
2333 Theodore St.
Crest Hill, IL 60403
Sunday, 9:00 p.m. - 1:00 a.m.
21+
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INDIANA
USA East
5001 N. Shadeland Avenue
Indianapolis, IN
317-546-2457
Tuesday, 9 p.m. - 2 a.m.
18+
* Wood floor
USA West
3902 Glen Arm Rd.
Indianapolis, IN
317-291-6795
Sunday, 9 p.m. - 2 a.m.
18+
Thursday, 9 p.m. - 1 a.m.
18+
* Wood floor
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LOUISIANA
Skate Country Westbank
1100 Terry Pkwy.
Gretna, LA
504-392-2227
Tuesday, 8 p.m. - 11 p.m.
Thursday, 9 p.m. - Midnite
18+
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MARYLAND
D'Light Skate N Palace
3132 Branch Ave.
Temple Hills, MD 20748
301-630-6150
Sunday, 8:00 p.m. - 11:30 p.m.
25+
Thursday, 8:00 p.m. - Midnite
18+
*Wood floor
Shake & Bake Rec. Ctr.
1601 Pennsylvania Ave
Baltimore MD
Sunday, 8:00 p.m. - 12:30 a.m.
18+
Thursday, 8:00 p.m. - 11:30 p.m.
30+
*Wood floor
Skateland
8855 Orchard Tree Lane City
Towson, MD
410-825-3013
Wednesday, 7:30 p.m. - 11:30 p.m.
30+
(First) Saturday, 11 p.m. - 2 a.m.
21+
*Wood floor
Skateworks
1716 Whitehead Rd
Woodlawn, MD 21207
410-944-4477
Wednesday, 8:00 p.m. - Midnite
30+
*Wood floor
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MASSACHUSETTS
Chez Vous Entertainment Complex
11 Rhoades St.
Boston, MA 02124
617-825-6877
Sunday, 8:00 p.m. - midnite
18+
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MICHIGAN
Detroit Roller Wheels
16611 Schoolcraft
Detroit, MI
313-837-7680
Monday, 9:45 a.m. - 12:45 p.m.
Friday, 9:45 a.m. - 12:45 p.m.
* Wood floor
Great Lakes Skating Center
2041 Parkwood Ave.
Ypsilanti, MI 48198
734-480-4100
Tuesday, 8:00 p.m. to midnite
21+
* Wood floor
Great Skate
29100 Hayes Rd.
Roseville, MI 48066
586-777-4300
Sunday, 8:00 p.m. to midnite
21+
* Wood floor
Kentwood Fun Spot
14 52nd St
Grand Rapids, MI
616-534-8106
Tues., 8:00 p.m. - 11:00 p.m.
18+
* Wood floor
Lakeshore Roller World
5567 Red Arrow Hwy
Stevensville (Benton Harbor), MI 49127
269-429-7700 or 888-91-SKATE, (888-917-5283)
Sunday, 9:00 p.m. - Midnite
18+
* Wood floor
Northland Roller Rink
22311 West Eight Mile Rd.
Detroit, MI
313-535-1447
Monday, 10:30 p.m. - 1:30 a.m.
Friday, 10:30 p.m. - 1:30 a.m.
* Wood floor
Rollercade
2130 S. Schaefer Hwy.
Detroit, MI 48217
313-657-0459
Sunday, 8:00 p.m. - 11:00 p.m.
Tuesday, 9:00 p.m. - Midnite
Thursday, 6:00 p.m. - 8:30 p.m.
(Marble floor)
Royal Skateland
5201 Alter Rd.
Detroit, MI
313-882-5911(5912)
Sunday, 10:00 p.m. - 1:00 a.m.
25+ (Open House night)
Wednesday, 9:00 p.m. - Midnight
21+ (Open House night)
* Wood floor
Skateland-Mt. Morris
8460 N. Dort Hwy.
Mt Morris MI (near Flint)
810-686-6110
Wednesday, 10:30 p.m. - 1:30 a.m.
18+
(Open House night)
Saturday, 3:45 pm (Adult classes)
* Wood floor
Skatin’ Station II
8611 Rhonda Dr.
Canton, MI
734-459-6400
Sunday, 8:00 - 11:00 p.m.
* Wood floor
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MINNESOTA
Roller Garden
5622 West Lake Street
Minneapolis, MN 55416
952-929-5518
Sunday, 10:00 a.m. - 12:30 p.m.
18+
Thursday, 8:30 p.m. - 11:00 p.m
25+
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MISSOURI
Skate King
2700 Kienlen Ave
St. Louis, MO 63121
314-382-1112
Sunday, Wednesday, Friday (mornings)
9:00 a.m. - Noon
21+
Sunday, 9:00 p.m. - Midnite
25+
Monday, 8:00 - 11:00 p.m.
23+
Tuesday, 8:00 - 11:00 p.m.
25+
Wednesday, 7:00 - 10:00 p.m.
35+
Thursday, 7:00 - 10:00 p.m.
30+
Friday, 11:00 p.m. - 2:00 a.m.
18+
* Wood floor
Winnwood Skate Center
4426 Winn Rd.
Kansas City, MO
816-452-1171
Sunday, 8:30 p.m. - 11:30 p.m.
Thursday, 9:00 p.m. - Midnite
21+
* Wood floor
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NEBRASKA
Skate City
1220 S Fort Crook Rd
Bellevue, NE 68005
402-291-0894
Sunday, 8:00 pm - 11:00 p.m.
18+
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NEW JERSEY
Branch Brook Park Skating Rink
7th & Clifton Aves.
Newark, NJ
973-482-8900
Sunday, 9:00 p.m. - 1 a.m.
Tuesday, 9:00 p.m. - 1 a.m.
Thursday, 9:00 p.m. - 2 a.m. (First Thurs. only)
18+
* Wood floor
Millennium Skate World
1900 Carman St.
Camden, NJ
856-757-9460
(2nd) Tuesday, 9 p.m. - 1 a.m. (House)
Wednesday, 11 a.m. - 2 p.m.
Wednesday, 9 p.m. - 1 a.m.
(First) Saturday, 11 p.m. - 2:30 a.m.
21+
* Wood floor
Skate22
1235 Chestnut Street
Union, NJ
908-686-6838
Wednesday, 9 p.m. to 1 a.m.
25+
Sunday, 9 p.m. to 1 a.m.
18 +
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NEW YORK
Arcadia Roller Rink
30 E. Amherst
Buffalo, NY 14214
716-603-9224
Sunday, 8:00 pm - Midnite
21+
Wednesday, 7:00 pm - 10:00 pm
30+
* Wood floor
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NORTH CAROLINA
Skate Ranch of Raleigh
2901 Trawick Road
Raleigh, NC 27604
919-790-3808
Sunday, 8:00 pm - 11:00 pm
21+
* Wood floor
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OHIO
Hoover Skate Arena
4623 Hoover Ave.
Dayton, OH 45417
937-263-0256
Sunday, 6 p.m. to 9:45 pm
21+
Tuesday, 7:30 pm - 10:30 pm
21+
Wednesday, 11:00 am - 1:30 pm
21+
Friday, 9 pm - 1 am
21+
* Wood floor
Skate Zone 71
4900 Evanswood Dr.
Columbus, OH 43229
614-846-5626
Thursday, 9:00 p.m. to midnite
Saturday, midnite to 4:00 a.m. (1st Sat.)
18+
United Skates of America
30325 Palisades Pkwy
Wickliffe, OH 44092
440-944-5301
Sunday, 9:00 p.m. to 1:00 a.m.
18+
* Wood floor
United Skates of America-East Columbus
3362 Refugee Rd
Columbus, OH 43232
(614) 239-7202
Tuesday, 9:00 p.m. to midnite
18+
* Wood floor
WOW Family Fun Center
4900 Evanswood
Columbus, OH 43229
614-846-5627
Thursday, 9 p.m. to Midnite
18+
Saturday, Midnite - 4:00 a.m. Every 1st Sat.
18+
Zelma Watson-George Community Center
3155 Matin Luther King Blvd
Cleveland, OH 44104
216-420-8821
Wednesday, 9:30 p.m. to 12:30 a.m. (Last Wed. only)
18+
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TENNESSEE
Rivergate Skate Center
119 Gleaves Street
Madison, TN 37115
615-868-7655
Sunday, 8:00 p.m. to 11:30 pm
21+
*Wood floor
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WISCONSIN
Skate Town
1825 Sycamore Ave.
Racine, WI 53406
262-633-8333
Saturday, 8:00 p.m. to 11:00 pm
18+
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Kim,
The skaters here on the East coast have mixed emotions about Garry no longer operating the Elsmere Skating Center as well, however, you along with many others were not behind closed doors when the final deal was done.
You cannot speculate or believe one side of this story. As you may or may not know, the new owners have been in the skating community for many years, and we should be rejoicing and glad that this ownership and opportunity has been afforded to such a good couple that peope look up to and respect.
Also note, with us all being in various places in the United States, a story like yours would give the impression that there is turmoil in the New Jersey/Delaware/Pennsylvania areas, when there is not.
Khannie Butler (Silver & Gold, Unlimited)
Melanie Johnson (Synergy)
Marilyn Porras (Silver & Gold, Unlimited)
your point is taken, however, the same would apply to those of you who also were not behind closed doors and also do not know all the details.
i disagree that what was posted gives the impression of turmoil in the NJ/DE/PA areas as the only state mentioned in the article was delaware. there was other information that could have been printed about a manager in one of those areas, but that info was left out. if any turmoil is indicated, it is between the previous owner of elsmere and gman, seeing as how gman has been very verbal over the years – to many people – about how he and the owner had some sort of agreement that he (gman) would one day take over ownership.
if the new owners would like to respond to what is printed here, they are welcome to do so and what they say will be weighed against what gman has said in the above press release and also in other private communications to RST that were not published here.
thanks.
I am able to congratulate the new owners of “Adrenaline Skating Center” and wish Garry the absolute best without being privy to details.
live in Delaware and I skate(d) at Elsmere. I really like and respect G-man, but the place sucked–especially after G-man shut down both adult nights (Thursdays and Sundays). I’m not exactly sure how much is G-man’s fault–but as the General Manager, I think that a lot of the responsibility fell on his shoulders.
Now, as far as “shady” goes, I can’t speak on it because I was not even remotely involved in the transaction. However, if the owners were going to sell it from under G-man, I’m glad they sold it to a black person. You must also realize as well that the original owner died early this year (the person G-man always dealt with), and his children (who inherited the rink) sold the business. I have to wonder if the children did what was most financially advantageous for themselves? Perhaps this was a business decision more than a personal one?
Just a thought.
Shadey? Underhanded? Cold Blooded?
What it really boils down to is two things which is Money and Character. Did Gary have the money that was being asked for the property? If he did, what type of business relationship did he have with not only the deceased but the children who inherited the rink? If his attitude towards them was anything like what he portrayed to some of us, I don’t blame them for not selling the rink to him. He was not in the least bit loyal to those who did patronize the rink when he did manage Elsmere. Throwing temper tantrums like the man child he is. When regulars would request certain songs he would say “I’ll think about it”, or “E-mail your request”. If you came in late after getting off from work he would ask “Why should I let you in?”. If, it wasn’t for the old faithfuls, Gary would have been out of there a long time ago. See it’s this type of attitude that gets you no where. What rink has rentals that your not allowed to use? If you have a family member that comes in from out of town and you want to take them out skating, just because they did not have their own pair of skates, they were turned away. Now who does that??? Basically what I am saying is this, if you want something, you have to be sweet as pie. Especially if someone has something you want. You can draw more bees to honey than vinegar. In a nut shell…G-Man did this to himself. So skate on skaters. And like one of my friends say ” Be a skater, not a hater.”
skater girl, it’s very clear that there is more than one side to this story. there is g-man’s side; the rink owners side; tracey akines’ side; g-man supporters side; and g-man critics side.
since the rink owners have refused to comment, i tend not to think that the relationship with them and gary is as bad as you say. i believe if they felt their actions were on the up & up, they would have no problem giving comment to the media.
you also asked the question as to whether gary had the money being asked for the rink. well, if we go down that road, what would the answer be to the question of whether a couple living states away had the money being asked, and if they didn’t, was it funding from another source that enabled them to be put down as the owners? were there no rinks for sale in new jersey for this couple to purchase, if they had that kind of money?
but i digress. evidently we all may never get a clear picture of what happened since the key players in this are witholding explanation and comment.
Three things to the comment above. 1) It is very business wise for the new owners to not comment on this so called “Controversey”. Some things are better left unsaid. 2) What does it matter where the financial gain came from to purchase the rink. G-man had options the same as they did. It just worked out better for some than others. 3) Who cares that they live states away. This is what they do. All we want to do is skate…so let it be. Oh, and let me add a fourth. As far as the name of the rink is concerned. I would have to think the name of the rink was given in honor of the Awards which happens to be bigger than Gary. It might have been something he had hands in putting together. But it’s not about him anymore. Any true skater would put themselves aside and realize that for the love of the sport. He was apart of the process, that is an accomplishment itself. Now enjoy and watch it grow.
skater girl,
#1) the rink owners were not asked to comment on any controversy, they were asked to comment on the sale of the rink.
#2) if you want to suggest that gman may not have had the money to purchase the rink just understand that others may, like you, have questions about whether or not the same question applies to the new owners.
#3) likewise, many other questions are raised by some who are looking at the situation from a view point different from yours. you should understand that since you are questioning gman. by the same token, some might have questions for or about the new owners.
other than that, thanks for sharing your opinions and views which do not represent how everyone else aware of this situation views it. but they certainly can be taken into consideration, along with those who ask similar or different types of questions regarding the new owners.
Please read the above article that even started the comments to be added. The “controversey ” is the sale of the rink because if it had been sold to Gary this would be a non-issue. Now can I ask you this Mr./Ms. Who ever you are….What does it even matter??? Where their resources came from, why they choose not to comment on the sale, or even what the opinions of others are. What I choose to state is fact. Gary didn’t have the money. There was bad blood between he and one of the children, and the name of the rink is in honor of the awards which Gary played a major part of. We are all thankful to him and what he gave to the sport of skating. Now let us move on, oh I mean roll on and be at peace with this recent transaction. When one door closes, there is another that will open. See you soon Gary!
sister, what does it matter? evidently it must matter to you because you keep commenting. the original post went up in early august and then here you come … weeks after …. commenting on sept. 4, weeks after the last comment was made and then want to get an attitude.
and a correction for you: if the rink name “adrenaline” was in honor of what gman started, it would be spelled the same way as it was when it was used, and is still being used, by the ADRENALIN awards team.
other than that, if you want to move or roll on from this situation, please do so and stop posting comments about it keeping this going. remember, it was you coming in here posting a new comment weeks after this posting had been lying dormant. now if you’re serious about rolling on – nobody here is trying to stop you.
Wow I see it struck a nerve! Why do you continue to comment?
To me it didn’t appear the sister had and attitude. Wether she commented the same day or weeks later, she is intitled. The page does invite for people to do so. You didn’t have to respond.
skater girl, the same could be said of you. why do you continue to comment when you are the one who came in preaching “Now let us move on, oh I mean roll on and be at peace with this recent transaction. ” if you are at peace with the transaction, i would think you wouldn’t even bother to continue checking in on this but here you are again. your actions do not portray that you are “at peace” with this situation.
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mr. fantastic, some of what the sister said indicates to me an attitude but you do not see it that way. she is more than entitled to post here …. as i am too …. and you say i didn’t have to respond to her post – which i didn’t have to – but by the same token, neither did she. but sometimes people do reply, that’s the nature of message boards.
but like i said above, i’m not the one coming in preaching about “moving on” from this but still and yet am posting continued comments about that which i’m preaching people should move on from. that doesn’t make sense to me and that’s what i mean when i tell the sister that if she is serious about moving on, she should do that and not keep bringing this up.
i hope that makes sense.
peace~
This is an interesting story. I am a skater in the Tri State area who skates at Elsmere from time to time. Glad to see that the rink didn’t close. My curiosity is this. Why is it this one person has commented on everything that anyone has said. Who is it that keeps checking back for responses? Seems someone likes word play. Anywho congrats to the new owners and G-man on his new adventures.
pat, there is no word play going on …… at least not on my part. as the operator of this site, i am notified whenever a comment comes in for moderation or approval, therefore, i get notification of most comments that come in. that’s what’s going on. nothing more, nothing less. it’s also incorrect to say that i, RST_news, has commented on everything that has been posted.
i think it’s normal for any site operater to regularly check their site and on blogs, especially blogs that are much more active than this one, it is standard procedure for people to reply to posts, dialogue, debate and some folk even resort to infantile arguing and foolishness. i hope people who come to this site understand at least that much about interactive forums, message boards and blogs.
anyway, thanks for the comment.
just for clarification; when i said this:
“since the rink owners have refused to comment, i tend not to think that the relationship with them and gary is as bad as you say. i believe if they felt their actions were on the up & up, they would have no problem giving comment to the media.”
i was referring to the wahlig family, the previous owners of elsmere. based on one comment here, someone believed the akines were being referred to which shows the possibility that the statement could also apply to them. however, they were not who i had in mind when i said what i said.
Many blessings to the new owners.
The locals are proud and excited to have a place to skate again especially after the adult nights were
discontinued on Thursday (6 months ago) and
Sundays (over a year ago).
thanks for the comment. i’m sure it’s very nice to have adult nights back and if the new owners are willing to provide the level of security needed (in light of the shootings last year or earlier this year), that’s good as well. having talked to gman and thus being able to hear another side of the story, it seems the previous owners were not willing to provide increased security and that’s part of the reason, if not the MAIN reason, he made the decisions he did about adult nights. guaranteeing skater safety was what he was more concerned about, from what he said.
so again, just attempting to show that there are more sides to this story that aren’t necessarily able to be portrayed by adrenaline supporters who only know the side of the story they choose to tell here.
Can someone congradulate the new owners without someone affiliated with this site bringing up anything negative. Even though there was a shooting incident wether last year or earlier this year, G-man didn’t close the rink because of an incident transpiring on the night that he decided to close down adult skate night. The Sunday adult skate night was normally stopped during the warmer time of the year and re-started in the fall. The Thursday adult skate night however was stopped for no apparent reason. There was no shooting or even fighting to say the least. The man simply said that from that point forward there would be no more Thursday skating until further notice, that it was now under the ownership of Tracy and her crew, and that if we wanted to stay and skate we could, packed his stuff and left. There was no violent occurence, or security issue that promoted Gary’s decision to abruptly stop this skate night. If security was the issue then why were all of the other skating sessions continued. Especially with one of the older employess having a physical confrontation with a teenager. If security was in question then skating would have ceased period. Not to mention, there is not one rink where there hasn’t been the potential for or an actual incident where security was called for. So please, lets not give Adrenaline a bad name for those two prior occurances or even suggest that, that was a conflict for Gary. I am sure he was concerned about the safety of both the employees and those who patronized the former “Elsmere” skating rink but anybody who frequented that rink full well knows that we had way more good times than bad and felt safe to attend, otherwise no one would have went if they felt there life would be in jeapordy if they did. One thing I have noticed in reading the first Blog, and the responses made to those who decided to comment on the blog, is that someone from this site refuses to render an unbiased opinion. Though you might thank those who visit and comment, you can definetly tell there is some animosity with the choice of words used in response to the comments. The response to the comments are leaning more towards your personal feelings on what transpired with the sale of this building. Are you pleading someones case? Let’s see if you can be kind and curtious with your response without being back handed with it. How about not even saying anything at all if you can’t just say “Thank you for visiting” and leave it at that.
patty, since this is your 2nd comment here, i’d like to refer you back up to where i explained the nature of interactive message boards, forums and blogs. those of you who don’t like the perspective i bring to the comments i’m posting in this thread, on MY site, i’m sure you understand that you don’t have to come here – to MY site – and subject yourself to what i post. if you choose to continue to come to this site, it’s ridiculous for you to think that i, the OWNER of this site, am going to change what i’m doing here. those of you who don’t like it, the only choice you have is not to come here. it won’t bother me in the least but i see that some of you all are very bothered by what i’m posting on my site and it seems you can’t control yourselves enough to not come here.
and yes, the subject of this post has/had nothing to do with congratulating the new owners but it had everything to do with what was originally posted here. those of you who want to congratulate and post your good memories know there are some other sites that cater specifically to that kind of thing. so again, for those who can’t hang with this format here, or my postings, you’re not going to change me so i would suggest that for your own piece of mind you might want to frequent and post on some other skating sites.
as far as your comment, “The Thursday adult skate night however was stopped for no apparent reason. There was no shooting or even fighting to say the least. The man simply said that from that point forward there would be no more Thursday skating until further notice, that it was now under the ownership of Tracy and her crew, and that if we wanted to stay and skate we could, packed his stuff and left.”
you’re contradicting what someone else posted here and also contradicting info i received having talked directly to gman. he said he didn’t find out about the sale of the rink until june (approx. 2 months ago) when he was sent an email telling him he had 30 days to remove his things. yet someone above posted the adult nights were cancelled 6 months and a year ago. therefore, it appears your information is incorrect.
don’t get mad at me because i point out the inconsistencies and falsehoods some of you all are coming here with.
WOW. I’ll say it again. . .WOW!
I like to think that I’m more articulate than this, but right now I am truly at a loss for words.
MODERATOR, we are well aware that this is your site, and appreciate the information you provide.
However.
If you have any ambition of making this site more than just an information portal, then you might want to be a little more. . . .diplomatic and gratuitous. After all, what’s the point of having a site if no one wants to visit it? Not a criticism. . .just an observation.
You are clear on your point of view, as well as where and with whom your support lies. But, even you stated that there is more than one side to this story.
I really feel for Garry. As I stated before, I genuinely like Garry, but maybe acquiring the Elsmere rink was not in God’s divine plan for him. Perhaps God has something bigger and better for him. We have to be life’s student and not its victim.
What I don’t understand is why the Aikens have to be made the villains in all of this. Why persecute this couple? These wonderful people have kept a skating rink open where Black skaters can feel at home. Can we just wish Garry and the Aikens the best and move on?
As a true skater, I just want to skate. And, with gas prices being what they are (not to mention tolls), I don’t want to have to ALWAYS travel an hour or more to do it! I wish Adrenaline and its new owners MUCH success. Their success is OUR success.
melissa, i don’t know that the aikens are being persecuted – i think that’s an extreme view of the situation. those who don’t wish to know any more about the circumstances surrounding the sale of elsmere and want to move on, are more than willing to do so. like i said before, i would think those interested in doing that would not continue to visit this thread. there are plenty of other topics posted on this site …. that receive few if any responses … but this is the one attracting the attention even from those who say they want to move on.
i tend to think that if it were a white owner who had acquired elsmere under the same circumstances, there would be more of an uproar about it but since it’s a black couple, people are throwing “god” into the mix as if this is his will. maybe it is, maybe it isn’t but the circumstances of how everything went down – based on what is known – do not indicate that god was in the equation at all.
as for your advice, i don’t have a problem taking it but i still have to stress that debate/dialogue – even the kind that may seem confrontational to some – is standard procedure on interactive forums. bottom line is that’s what attracts a lot of people to forums as should be indicated by the continued posting to/viewing of this topic in spite of the fact that some of you all feel i am the one who has an attitude.
so, i’m going to continue to do what i do and am not mad about anybody choosing not to frequent this site because of it. we all know there are plenty of skating sites out there to choose from and i’m aware that RST has its own audience and readers who do appreciate what is posted here, and the way in which this site sometimes addresses what others choose to avoid. i know that will cost RST some readers/visitors and viewers but on the other hand, i know it will also gain this site new visitors. this site and what goes on here is not for everybody and i understand that, so worrying about whether or not my manner is keeping people away is not an issue to me.
here are some of the questions RST would have asked tracey akines had we been granted an interview with the owners of adrenaline skating:
- when did you first develop an interest in purchasing elsmere and how were you informed that it was for sale?
- were you aware, as were many in the skate community, that garry corporal had long spoken of becoming the owner of elsmere?
- did you ever consider partnering with garry as a co-owner and if not, what would move you to step in to purchase the rink managed by someone you knew, had done business with, had supported and possibly been friends with for many years?
- was the united skates of america, the owner of the new jersey rink you’ve managed for many years, involved in any way, shape, manner or form in the purchase of elsmere or the process leading up to the sale?
- will you remain on as general manager of millenium skate world in new jersey or will you and your family be relocating to delaware?
This would be a funny thread if it wasnt a slam against two good people, the Akines.
I have to admit that I’m happy to see the Akines become owners of a rink. And I also feel for Gman losing out, however, that is business, black/white or indifferent, business is business. Gman is a strong brother, his life will go on despite this.
But, the response of the “moderator” here leaves a lot to be desired. You have all but accused them of doing something underhanded to get the rink and now you expect them to answer questions from you?!! Are you part of the John McCain campaign? Secondly, you pretend not to have a side in this but there is a line clearly printed on the bottom of this page that states: “Bill Butler in talks to do reality series the elsmere skating rink controversy” So what is the real agenda here? Lets be real, you have always been a shill for anything Bill Butler does so this must be just another one of your sad attempts to worship the ground he walks on. Your site or not, you are not always right, neither is Bill and this rink controversy is just another example of that. You are probably more qualified to speak on issues on skating in that great skating Mecca of Denver, but you certainly dont know what’s happening on the east coast. Stick to what you know and leave the rest of us to enjoy skating at the Akines’ new rink.
Shalom
beamer, i do have to say that this thread is funny in some spots especially when it comes to getting comments from adrenaline supporters, like you, who say the silliest things and draw the most irrational conclusions based on your own incorrect assessments.
now on top of the bashing some of you have done against gman, you come in bashing bill butler. the reason the link you mentioned is listed at the bottom of the page is because that’s standard procedure for blogs – to have links for the previous thread and the next thread on the blog, listed at the bottom of the page. if you had went further, you would have also taken the time to notice there is also a link (with an arrow next to it) which says “the elsmere skating rink controversy”. that happens to be listed because it’s the next thread after this one.
so, please continue to laugh over this thread because you just added some more reasons to laugh. based on this, i don’t even know if there is a need to respond to the rest of what you posted other than to say that no one is preventing anybody, including you, from enjoying skating at the akines’ rink. why you and others feel the need to come in here continuing to say things like that remains something that i find to be ridiculous.
and just for the heck of it, let me go on and address some of your other points. when i posted this thread, i was not aware of who the new owners were, all i knew was that the message on the phone revealed that the new name was the “adrenaline skating center.” i seriously doubt, however, that the title of this thread is the reason RST was not granted an interview by the akines and, as a working journalist, i have more than the ability to present a clear picture of any information i am given. i have consistently said from the get go that there are many more sides to the story but that’s not enough to prevent some of you from concluding that i am being biased in this. i have questions, some of which i’ve put up here …. and ask questions is what i do on the regular, as a working journalist. and as a journalist, i know that were this any other situation, there are definitely enough oddities and red flags that would lead anyone to raise some questions.
as far as me not knowing what is happening with skating on the east coast, it’s strange you would say that since it is the posting on RST that first made a whole bunch of folks aware of what had happened in deleware …… way over there on the east coast. and it took some “shill” way over here in denver to drop the 4-1-1. and let me say right here, your response is also one that indicates an “attitude” – just like the person who posted “mr/ms whoever you are……” that indicates attitude to me and your resorting to name calling and – like others in here – resorting to putting up misinformation, is a clear sign of someone operating in haste and out of emotion because they have an attitude that someone is raising questions about this whole thing.
so, let’s be clear, bill butler has absolutely NOTHING to do with this situation and therefore, there was no need for you to bring his name up and insult him or insinuate anything else about him. you never know, people observing how you and other adrenaline supporters have acted in here might be gaining the impression that you all are “shills” for the akines who keep putting forth these extremely “SAD attempts” to do/say ANYTHING (true or false; rational or irrational) to worship the ground they walk on.
but you all keep doing what you do. you’re really only making yourselves and the akines look worse than they already may look to some.
shalom~
Parable of a Father:
Happy to see dreams grow. Sad to see dreams shattered. I taught my children to support each other while they skate. When one falls the other can help them up. When things get hard we can form a chain to stay strong. When we tire we can smile before we rest. Oh I feel for my children. Whatever may have happened has. My children of color have always had ideas and dreams pulled from under them. Yet they are still strong no matter how it hurts. Green was never our color yet it has divided many families. Brother against brother against sister or mother. If it drugs, property or business it always points to green. I have seen over the years this family tear apart. Yet I hope for the day when the skate family will remember why we skate. How we became a skate family. How you became children of color with colorful wheels. Many colors as far as one could roll. Now I see green around my children Like a fungus that has grown. They became blinded. What will become of the skate children? How I pray they come together again and share in trust. Trust that when they begin to fall, and money flies out of the pocket, they will catch me before I hit the ground. Catch me before they catch my money…..
I have to say that after having contact with Tracy Akine, I miss Garry! She has absolutely NO people skills, and doesn’t care what the customers want. She needs to fall back and let her husband Lawrence run the place and deal with customers.
Sunday Adult Nite is a JOKE. They MIGHT get 10 people if they’re lucky. They play the same type of music as Franklinville on Sunday nights. Since Franklinville has a better floor, people go there.
It would be better if Adrenaline played Old School on Sunday nights to appeal to the more mature crowd. They’d get more than 10 people, that’s for sure.
And, don’t ask them to change the music or voice your opinion if they’re playing crap–especially during All-Skate sessions . . . you’ll just get told off.
They don’t clean the floor before each session–the amount of gum on the floor is RIDICULOUS.
I had hoped that the new management would be better for the only black rink in Delaware. I was wrong. We need another black rink in Delaware to give these jokers some competition. The customer service SUCKS.
I don’t know what trusk8er’s problem is with the new management , but I found them to be a refreshing change from the previous mangement. They are always nice to my family and I when we walk in. The floor is in better shap then when Garry was there. The music played is age appropiate, depending on the session. So trusk8er go find some other place to skate.
Good for you and your family, Marky. For your information, I DO skate elsewhere. Furthermore, if the new owners adopt your attitude, then they won’t have any regular customers–which are necessary to sustain any business. And I indeed, was a regular–probably more so than you. (At one point, my children and I skated there 4 times a week.)
Dirty skate floor, dirty bathrooms (never any toilet paper in the stalls!), unskateable music during all-skate sessions AND a rude rink owner? All I can say is, you must have a really low bar set on what is acceptable, Marky.
These owners are the new kids on the block, and they’re black kids at that. Do they really want to become known as “that ghetto rink”? That is what is expected of black proprieters.
Think about it.
iam sad to here that the charles wahlig passed on~i skated at elsmere god only knows how many time~i was a competitive dance skater and speed skater won many titles there~always loved the skating there~never was any problems with safety at all~sad to here his kids charlie/anne/beth didnt keep the rink~not sure how the rink is now but it used to be awesome~roll on~
This is a little off topic… I started skating at the Elsmere Skating rink in 2000. I am an experienced skater. I also worked here in 2004; which was my first job. I stopped going skating after 2006, but I am starting to go to the adult nights (thursdays). I’ve had many memories at this skating center. I do miss the old staff that were working there before such as G-Man, Mr. Richard, and so on. Mostly because I’ve known them for a long time. But now that I recently started going skating again, I’m starting to adapt to the new staff. I like the new staff and the changes the have been made. But I do have some small suggestions for adult night… 1. Have 25 minutes of non-stop reggae. 2. Extend advance backward skate 5 minutes longer. 3. Play Baltimore Club Music for advance backward skate. These adjustments would make adult nights even better! GUARANTEE!!!